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What happens when your life is going exactly as planned, and then everything changes in an instant? Rob Rene survived multiple near death moments, rebuilt after addiction, and emerged with a mission that reshaped how he defines success. If you felt the pull toward a healthier, truer life. This conversation gives you a real starting point. This is the Your Next Success podcast, and I am your host, Dr. Caroline Sangal I am a life first career coach and strategist on a mission to normalize questioning your career because I believe each of us is made on purpose for a purpose only we can fulfill. The longer we live out of alignment with who we are, what we do best, and why we are here, the more we miss out and the more the world misses out on what only we can give. The Your Next Success Podcast is where we explore how to build a career that truly fuels your life. We talk about self-discovery, smart job, search strategies, professional growth. And you will hear stories from people who have navigated big career transitions themselves. So you can create a life, first career and become your own version of authentic success, one that is aligned, meaningful, and truly yours. Rob Rene is a faith-based AI wellness futurist, entrepreneur, and former division one runner. After surviving a life altering accident in college, he built a 25 year career in enterprise technology sales then stepped into a new chapter shaped by sobriety, deep faith, and a passion for whole person wellness. Rob is the founder of Exodus Strong and the creator of biohackingville a community focused on practical natural health strategies that support energy, clarity, and resilience. In this episode, you'll hear how Rob's story took sharp turns he never saw, coming from a scholarship running trajectory to a catastrophic accident, from corporate achievement to addiction, and from pandemic layoff into a research driven wellness. calling rooted in faith. You'll also hear the simple daily practices Rob returns to for real health momentum and how he now defines authentic success as service and impact.

Caroline: 2:29

Rob Rene, welcome to Your Next Success. I am so, so happy to be talking with you today, so thank you.

Rob Rene: 2:37

I am so excited to be here I appreciate you.

Caroline: 2:40

Thank you so much. All right. Well, as you know, we're gonna talk about careers, career transitions, life transitions, those kind of things. Uh, we'll get to all of the amazing work that you're doing now. We'll get to that, but let's dial it way back.

Rob Rene: 2:55

All

Caroline: 2:55

Uh, Yeah. Tell me, where were you born? Where did you grow up when you were really little?

Rob Rene: 3:00

Yeah sounds good I was born and raised in Pocatello Idaho so

Caroline: 3:05

Oh

Rob Rene: 3:06

Really small town in Southeastern Idaho. And yeah that's where I spent 18 years

Caroline: 3:12

hmm.

Rob Rene: 3:13

Idaho. So my obviously my childhood was all there

Caroline: 3:18

Yeah. And what did you really like? What were the kind of things you did for fun? What was taking a lot your attention and your interest?

Rob Rene: 3:26

Lots of you know it was I was really athletic I was a young I was a baby of two other brothers and

Caroline: 3:32

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 3:32

I had two older siblings one was four years older and the other one was seven years older than I so I was quite a bit younger than them but I always had you know them to look up after and they were athletic and so I ended up being you know the sports was my jam. Stuff that I really enjoyed and things that I liked. And then through that process running became interestingly enough that was my thing that I just excelled at I was better at that than anything else I was pretty good basketball player and other other but running, it was just for some reason God gave me you know a special talent to run and so I had some really good success as a youth athlete and ended up being that was gonna be my goal in life was

Caroline: 4:19

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 4:20

A professional runner. That was that was a big part of my childhood was know figuring out how to do that and then transitioning from just enjoying it to actually making that a life lifelong goal you know then just in crazy how how life turns out right. There's so many different turns and

Caroline: 4:41

yes.

Rob Rene: 4:41

a lot

Caroline: 4:42

We're gonna get into those and I'm excited. Okay. And now, but, how about couple other things, like school-wise, was there anything that was exciting to you on that arena? And also what did your parents do kind of thing?

Rob Rene: 4:57

Yeah that's a great question. My parents were entrepreneurs so they ended up being and my mom owned a little boutique shop selling Birkenstock sandals and

Caroline: 5:07

ah.

Rob Rene: 5:08

dresses. And then my dad it was he used to sell cars when he was a young man and then he ended up transitioning into selling golf carts so he was

Caroline: 5:18

Oh, interesting.

Rob Rene: 5:19

business for a long time. So I spent most of my young childhood not I guess not young childhood but where I started working for my mom's retail shop and helping customers with their you know try on their Birkenstock sandals but then also at my dad's shop helping either washing cars early on and then as

Caroline: 5:39

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 5:39

into the golf business you know started helping people with club selection and stuff like that. So it was

Caroline: 5:46

Oh, interesting.

Rob Rene: 5:47

diverse diverse childhood from that perspective

Caroline: 5:51

Yeah. And how about school-wise? Did you enjoy school subjects or was it just a necessary thing to do or, yeah. Okay. Okay. That's fair. Yeah.

Rob Rene: 6:01

I was not a great I mean was just one of those things I was okay and the funny thing about schooling for me which was really interesting is I just dearly didn't care

Caroline: 6:11

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 6:12

my that was the blessing of having a brother that was four years older than I is he had just gone through things that were and he would teach me things that he learned that's oh gosh and one of the things that really had a huge impact on my life was before I went into high school it was like he'd just gone through that process and he is oh my gosh he didn't realize that you know your grades stay with you from

Caroline: 6:39

Mm mm.

Rob Rene: 6:40

your ninth grade on to you know basically the rest of your life

Caroline: 6:44

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 6:45

so he made some mistakes and was like so before I went into my ninth grade year he sat me down I was like okay. He says I know school hasn't been that super important to you he says but you know from now on everything you do counts

Caroline: 7:00

Okay.

Rob Rene: 7:01

and so that was really informative for me cause it just changed my whole perspective on what I need to do with school so ever since that literally that summer um I ended up getting straight A through my high school career. And I got one one B um out

Caroline: 7:20

Wow.

Rob Rene: 7:21

four four years of high school And it was because of my brother 100%. There's no I mean I was a C student you know on average before that but it was just like he's like this is really important If you want to get in college you wanna do the things I know you're passionate and you're you driven person. Um and so if you wanna do those then you need to buckle down. And so I did right so that was a

Caroline: 7:44

Ah, oh,

Rob Rene: 7:44

to have that direction

Caroline: 7:47

oh. It's so good of him to do that, for him to kind of, you know, want to want the best for you regardless of however his, his stuff had gone down and here's, and, and that you listen to it. That's the other thing too. I have, two teenage boys. So there's a lot of, of, good things that your brother shared that, that you were able to absorb and, and move forward on. So that's, that's beautiful. Okay, so then you, you start paying attention to school while also loving the, the sports, loving the running. And then when it came time to. You know, graduate and do what's next. How did you choose and what did you do?

Rob Rene: 8:23

Yeah that was exciting part of life I was like man things were going so well. Every everything was going um the way I had planned I'm getting a full ride running scholarship to a division one college and all you know all the things that I was you know helping for were coming true and so it was really super exciting I went to a school that was a an LDS school I went into ended up going to BYU

Caroline: 8:48

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 8:49

a You I'm not Mormon so going to a LDS school was different but the reason I went to that particular school was they were producing professional runners at that school even back in the eighties

Caroline: 9:02

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 9:02

and there was you know professional running wasn't even a thing back then. And so they were doing really good job of not only helping the athlete be a better athlete but helping them be good after college which a lot of the other colleges I did research on it was like they were really good in college but then they were just burnt out by the time they were

Caroline: 9:22

Mm.

Rob Rene: 9:22

they never did anything after. And so since that was my you know my goal in life was to be a professional runner. You know I went to BYU and they you know they were able to get me a full ride scholarship which was huge cause I didn't we didn't have money as a family to pay for my college so that was super important so just things were just going you know you from that perspective

Caroline: 9:47

And then, and then what happens? So now you're in school and you're also running. Right, right, right. Yeah. So let's,

Rob Rene: 9:54

exciting I

Caroline: 9:55

I.

Rob Rene: 9:55

to BYU My first year was super successful from a running perspective I made the US junior team. I was the second best miler in the country. And so I got second to nationals and it was super exciting and made the US junior team and we traveled all across the actually the world I did three different country trips and I ended up winning one of those international races where we raced against the best milers in from six other countries. And

Caroline: 10:24

Wow.

Rob Rene: 10:24

won the beat the boy who beat me and won one of those races. And it was just like man I was on top of the world everything was going just perfect and then that next winter I was out on a um training run with my training partner. It was in the winter in Utah and I was out in you know back country road and all of a sudden um my buddy we were on a run and he yells at my name and I'd turn around and all of a sudden I see this four by four truck just sliding right towards me. And I

Caroline: 11:00

Mm-hmm.

Rob Rene: 11:01

panicked. But I hadn't I couldn't didn't have time to move and so I was just like I'm gonna get hit gonna get hit. And the truck hit me and threw me on my hip and threw me 36 feet. And I

Caroline: 11:13

Wow.

Rob Rene: 11:14

straight on my face and just you I'm super blessed to be you know sitting here talking to you cause I was really close to not making it that particular day. It was pretty crazy Um so there's there's really no reason why I am here because of that accident Uh ended up um you know my friend ended up saving my life. I my throat got clogged and I wasn't breathing And and it was uh took 12 minutes for the paramedics to get there. So I should have you know perished during that

Caroline: 11:45

Wow,

Rob Rene: 11:46

And uh my friend uh saved my life so that was uh ever since then I knew that kind of God kind of had a plan for my life cause I was saved that particular day and you know now you fast forward and we'll talk about some of these things You know actually had four occurrences in my life where I've almost died. And so it's wow I really feel like I'm on borrowed

Caroline: 12:08

really still have work to do. That's the thing. Yeah. And

Rob Rene: 12:10

have I have work to do. I'm so excited to be here cause he's definitely not done with me yet.

Caroline: 12:16

Yeah, now. What year was this with the four by four hitting you?

Rob Rene: 12:22

Yeah So that was my second year in college so it was probably 80 what 88 89

Caroline: 12:29

How did they even call, like how did the paramedics even know? Like if you're on back country roads and it's not like everybody's carrying a cell phone.

Rob Rene: 12:36

Exactly. Yeah We had there weren't

Caroline: 12:38

12 minutes seems like a really great response time, right? Yeah. I remember like going to the fair or something and the police would have these big thing like just looked like the phone on the off the wall, but on their hips somehow.

Rob Rene: 12:49

that's

Caroline: 12:50

yeah.

Rob Rene: 12:50

cell phones we had back then and

Caroline: 12:52

Interesting.

Rob Rene: 12:54

I think another another passer by car saw the accident and

Caroline: 13:00

I

Rob Rene: 13:00

and went and called the paramedics. And

Caroline: 13:03

Wow.

Rob Rene: 13:03

took you know 12 minutes for them to actually respond cause you know by the time the

Caroline: 13:10

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 13:10

them and then the you know the ambulance got called and the ambulance got to the place 12 minutes you know in an emergency is a super duper long time. that was yeah pre pretty crazy. So you know I'm

Caroline: 13:23

But even to have,

Rob Rene: 13:24

cold

Caroline: 13:24

yeah, yeah, yeah. Even to have the people in place. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's, I bet your and your friend must've been just terrified.

Rob Rene: 13:35

Oh felt so Yeah He's just a huge blessing he has since passed which really makes me sad because he uh he didn't make it as long as I did and he I'm the only reason you know he's the only reason I'm here.

Caroline: 13:47

yeah.

Rob Rene: 13:48

literally my throat was clogged and if he wouldn't have cleared my throat. I was unconscious. So I couldn't have I would not have survived that 12 minute period if he would not have opened my throat so yeah that

Caroline: 13:59

Wow.

Rob Rene: 14:00

traumatic It was like one of those things where you're on top of the world. Life is going great and things are going as planned. And then boom in an instant your life gets changed. And so that was a huge transition in my life was that. And I've actually had a couple of those now. So it's

Caroline: 14:16

Yeah. Yeah, how did you, how did you even start tackling that and what you're gonna do next? I, I imagine getting hit by a car kind of, puts a damper on running.

Rob Rene: 14:29

Yeah it yeah it really I tried to make it for about a year I tried and tried to come back. and you know it took me a long time to recover physically. I broke my pelvis a number of places and my whole this whole side of my face was literally road rash. I had cuts that were just three or four inches deep in my side of my face when I woke up the second morning my I looked like an elephant man. I don't mean any disrespect to anybody with disfigurations but it was just like I was look like a horrible A mess. And it was just disgusting I thought for you know literally that was one of the hardest moments of my entire life was that seeing that cause I at that particular time I thought that's the way I was gonna look for the rest of my life. I was just like I was devastated. I was like no one's gonna love me. It's like you I literally every time say that it's just I get this lump in my throat cause it's just like that is such a raw emotion and raw feeling It's just like you know it's always gonna be there. It's just and so I

Caroline: 15:29

yeah.

Rob Rene: 15:30

empathy for people who get to that point where it's just like they have no hope. They have no desire. just like everything is you know the whole world is against them. I get it I a hundred percent understand. And

Caroline: 15:43

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 15:43

had this huge empathy for people that get to that point cause life can do that to you. And it did it to me. And so but I'm super excited to try to be an inspiration to people because you know I have gone through like I mentioned you know four different times where I've almost

Caroline: 15:59

Yeah,

Rob Rene: 15:59

and God still has me here. And I am just on fire for trying to help people because I've learned a ton about health through the transitions and things that I've done. And

Caroline: 16:10

yeah.

Rob Rene: 16:11

a lot about faith and so tho those two things. I really I call myself a faith-based AI wellness futurist

Caroline: 16:19

I love it.

Rob Rene: 16:20

That's

Caroline: 16:20

love it.

Rob Rene: 16:21

My new goal in life

Caroline: 16:23

Was faith your first go-to when you're in that hospital room and starting to think like you're like, and feeling like nobody is gonna love you because of this experience, that it's like you didn't choose that, that, that you just got, you were part of an accident. It's not like you were doing all the right things and now you're literally having to kind of start over. Did you go to faith or did you go to a anger? I would've, I think I would've been angry. Yeah.

Rob Rene: 16:51

you know I was a Christian growing up. But it was a Christian in name only in most instances. I believe I was saved as a young person but I just it wasn't it wasn't who I was it wasn't a really big part of me I'd go to church. And on Sunday and I would enjoy this worship service and enjoy the message but I wouldn't act on it. From as soon as the door hit me in the butt until the next Sunday, I didn't do anything.

Caroline: 17:17

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 17:18

I didn't I didn't go to any other services. I did just I wasn't a faithful Christian and I really didn't know the Bible. I didn't like to talk about religion or faith or politics. Like I just the things that I wasn't really good at or didn't really know I just wanted

Caroline: 17:33

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Rob Rene: 17:35

the faith conversation. For a really long time I just was like know yeah I'm a Christian but then really I wear I've worn a cross most of my life. And I wore it early on in my life because I didn't want to be known as a Mormon. Right? Which was the LDS people don't really like church right crosses. And so it was I wrote war it for the a hundred percent wrong reason.

Caroline: 17:58

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 17:59

just wanna identify as not a Mormon

Caroline: 18:01

huh.

Rob Rene: 18:01

I wear for a hundred percent different reason right where I know

Caroline: 18:04

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 18:05

He's the Lord my Lord and Savior and that he died on that cross for me. So it's a it's been a crazy transition to the point where now I'm just like on fire for God. And I have a personal relationship with him. And that transition has been huge in my life. And man I really you know I wanted to give people hope that you can get there if that's something that you want. And I pray that people will have that desire that I do now. Because man it just changes my entire perspective on the world. And in

Caroline: 18:35

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 18:36

And it's just like I have hope. I don't care if I lose everything in my entire life from a financial perspective, business you know, my health you know everything. if I have Him I have hope. And if I have hope then I can go to the next day I can go to the next thing and it's going you know it's going to be okay. Cause I have that hope in me now. That I just want to give people that comfort. That man if you can find that hope. It's just un unbelievably transformative in your life. And so I am just excited. I think that's an important part of who I am. I love health and you can get into that conversation why I like health so much. Right? Obviously I was a runner when I was young but I went through a crazy transition period in my adult p period where I just started being really passionate about learning about this body of ours. And how God made the body. And how we can really help it. And if we take care of this temple that he gave us you know we can really do amazing things. And there's so many people that are sick these days that they're they're struggling and they're sitting on the couch. And if they're sitting on the couch and they're unwell then they can't have an impact on society. And they

Caroline: 19:49

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 19:49

so I want I'm just super passionate. Let's get people

Caroline: 19:52

Yeah, yeah,

Rob Rene: 19:53

Let's get them out there. And then they can be a productive member of society. And help other people and so but if you're sick and you're sitting there net netflixing and chilling you're not doing anything for yourself. And you're not doing anything for people around you. And then I want to change that. I wanna help people.

Caroline: 20:10

Yeah. I mean,'cause I went through this, and I, and I think you went through this as as well, a bit of, I, I now know, okay, there's performance, there's relationships and there's wellbeing,

Rob Rene: 20:19

Right

Caroline: 20:19

there have been multiple chapters of my life where my performance was in the top echelons, but my relationships and my own wellbeing were not. So let's, let's get back to your story of now you're kind of in the hospital and, and you're in the middle of college and, and, and you're, you know, you have a second chance and, but it's, but what did you, like, what did you choose to do in, like, what did you get your degree in because for a while you were chasing other things and now, you know, and now I know that there's so much more to the story, but let's catch everybody back up a little bit of like, what did you graduate with, what did you choose to focus and, and then what did you do? What, what did you think success was and what were you chasing then?

Rob Rene: 21:06

that's an awesome question. Because it was yeah it was really interesting period cause I obviously went through a really difficult time for the a year probably after that. It's like geez I just you know everything I've been training for is gone. Uh I'm trying to make a comeback and it's not working. And it's just so I did go through this period of time that was really depressing and really uh I was just discouraged. But at the same point I had that mentor of my brother I told you about. It's like you know he helped me to get learn how to study before I got you know went into college. And so I ended up having a good I did well in school and I even in college I was doing so I obviously fell back onto that I was like okay I have my schooling. So what am I going to do in this world? And I wasn't sure what I was gonna do in the world, but I love technology. And so I started working for a technology company helping them with their internal business systems. And that I started working part-time and finishing my degree and that really gave me a lot of hope cause it was like okay I really enjoy doing this and so I did what the world tells you to do.

Caroline: 22:13

Yep.

Rob Rene: 22:13

I went into the corporate world and I just said I'm gonna be I'm gonna you know go make myself successful. I'm going to go. You know and I literally did everything the world tells you, right? The world tells you to get married. You have three kids you have a house with a white picket fence and you get a job at a large corporation. And you have a dog and then you watch sports and you play video games. And you do you know that's what I just dove right into that. And I had a really successful sales career I went ended up getting my degree in information management at BYU which was a basically a business degree but with an emphasis on technology. And so that really was impactful for me. I was working for a software company and that software company was selling really fun solutions and they needed someone to do sales. And so in the northwest and I'm like oh I my wife at the time lived her parents lived in Oregon. So we decided to pick up and move to Oregon to be a sales rep for that software company in the Northwest. And I spent 25 years selling enterprise technology and really enjoyed it. I climbed a ladder I did I was very successful as a business person. But you know I again it was all for this person. You know how can I make my family better? How can I make my kid get my kids in the right school? How can I do? It was like me me me me me. Uh and and wow. Right now I'm way different than that person.

Caroline: 23:41

Yeah,

Rob Rene: 23:41

geez that's what

Caroline: 23:42

so your.

Rob Rene: 23:43

for decades

Caroline: 23:44

How was your, like, so now your performance is, is great. How were your relationships and your wellbeing? On one hand you're like, okay, well you got a wife, you got some kids. Like, seems kinda, but, but then you said, my wife at the time, so I'm like, Hmm, what happened? Like, did, did. Yeah. Tell, tell us that part.

Rob Rene: 24:02

yeah it

Caroline: 24:03

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 24:03

relationships weren't great right. It was I

Caroline: 24:06

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 24:06

have a I was married to my first wife for 10 years. So it was great. We have a beautiful daughter with that with that marriage. And you know she I just spent the weekend with with her and her my grand babies. So it was really

Caroline: 24:18

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 24:18

So I have some huge blessings from that period of my life. But I was again I was I ended up getting addicted to alcohol through that period of time. Where I was like I was doing you know I was in sales I was out entertaining clients every night. I was they encouraged you to go to the bar after. And you're developing these personal relationships. And I'm selling technology that's like millions of dollars. So it's like you have to have these deep personal relationships with the people that you're selling to. And my company paid me to do that. Right? So I would go out and entertain them. And I would and I just ended up you know it's five o'clock somewhere. Right? That was that

Caroline: 24:54

Right, right.

Rob Rene: 24:55

my mantra. And I just did that for and it just became a habit. And I was a very highly functional alcoholic. I could drink in the evening and not drink all day during work but then you know five o'clock somewhere. I would always have a cocktail and you know did that for quite a while. And I think you know that was obviously not very good on my first marriage. And that ended up you know we ended up divorcing. And then you know I ended up meeting and my incredible wife that I have now it's about a year after that period. And we've been married for 25 years now. So

Caroline: 25:29

Oh wow. Yeah.

Rob Rene: 25:30

amazing relationship with a wonderful woman. And we have a hers mine and ours family. She has a daughter. And and then I have my daughter. And then we have our son together. So

Caroline: 25:39

Oh, that's, yeah. So you, so you shifted a bit. So what, what made you. I guess shift your emphasis. Shift your thing, because it's like on, you're doing everything again. You're doing everything right. You're getting re rewarded. You, you're, you're being well known. You're selling stuff, people are liking you, but then your marriage doesn't work out. But then what, what shifted to make this you ready to be able to then welcome and be the person that your wife needs you to be, I guess.

Rob Rene: 26:14

that's a really good question. From a relationship perspective, I think I just I ended up maturing my and I still ended up you know my second marriage, I was still that highly functional alcoholic for a large portion of that relationship, cause I'm only seven plus years sober now. So it would drink all the way into my fifties. and so for I've been married for 25 years. So you know 20 years of my marriage was you know 17 years of whatever of my marriage was me being a highly functional alcoholic. So that was not great right. But at the same

Caroline: 26:48

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 26:49

was going through that corporate career. And then you know what ended up happening that really changed my entire life was not necessarily my relationship. my relationship has gotten much better But what really transitioned it was when the what I call the second truck that hit

Caroline: 27:03

Okay. Yeah.

Rob Rene: 27:04

the first truck was obviously the physical one the four by four truck The second truck that hit me was the pandemic. when the pandemic hit had a really similar impact on my life as the first one did. Right? The first one I'm on my way Everything's

Caroline: 27:20

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 27:20

going great. And the second one was similar in respect to my career was going great And I was you know doing well as a business person. And then boom the pandemic hits. And my sales position got downsized because there I couldn't travel at the time. And I was a traveling sales guy covered the entire West coast. And so they decided to downsize the sales team. I'm like That was the first time in my life that I actually had time to look and investigate what's going on in the world. And obviously the early on I was scared with my for my family. Like how do I keep my family safe? How do I keep them well? And so what this did for me which was really transformational was give me the skill of research and thinking for myself rather than thinking what other people are telling me.

Caroline: 28:12

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 28:13

Some of the things that I uncovered were just devastating. It was just like what? how is this possible? That we live in this amazing country and we have these amazing opportunities amazing things yet we have so much and so much deception and so many things that just really you know the things I uncovered are just things you can't unsee once you see them. And so this skill of research is I just want to implore anybody to have and everybody to have that don't believe what the you know the media tells you. Don't believe what the radio tells you. Don't believe what your social media tells you. Don't believe what your friend tells you. Research your own for your own and start trying to find resources of truth. And when you start finding these resources of truth what you uncover is absolutely astonishing. and so that's what I ended up doing. it was early on it was health what really impacted me. I'm like I gotta keep my family safe right. But I remember the big defining moment was a doctor who was getting vilified they were suing this doctor for billions of dollars. And I'm like man he must be a really bad dude. He and then so I was uncovering what they were doing. He was recommending vitamin D to help at the time. And I'm like oh gosh vitamin D I think you know vitamin D's from the sun. Right? So I did research on vitamin D. Is vitamin D bad? And I couldn't find you know vitamin D's amazing. It's not it's

Caroline: 29:37

Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Rene: 29:38

bad at all. I'm like okay so he must be a really bad doctor. He must have really bad skeletons in his closet and he must be doing bad things. And the more I uncovered about him I couldn't find anything wrong with him. He's an all natural holistic health doctor who's helping people naturally. And I'm just like I don't get it. So it's like why are they suing him for billions of dollars? What what? Why? So I just started doing research and you know that's when I what you know I uncovered what a lot of people understand now that I didn't understand at the time was our medical system is just it's I call it corrupt in the respect that people are motivated for money not necessarily helping people with their health. And they were suing this doctor for billions of dollars not because he was a bad guy, not because vitamin D was bad, because they wanted to shut him up. And and it was like what would why would they wanna do that, right? So the more that I researched it was like whoa I went back way to the early 19 hundreds where our healthcare system our medical schools were basically taken over by the Rockefellers and a re report called the Flexner Report. That if people want to start you know having a little bit of research go do research on two topics and it'll just transform your entire thinking about life. Um at least it did me. Wa was one is Project Mockingbird Project Mockingbird was a really eye-opening experience for me and then the Flexner report. Go research the Rockefellers did with the Flexner report and how they took over our medical schools in the early 19 hundreds. And it you'll just be amazed. Like I was like oh my gosh actually really evil of what they we they did back then. In we back in the early 19 hundreds we had a 50 of our health practitioners were holistic practitioners. They're like nutrition you know all things natural and the other 50 were a normal allopathic doctor

Caroline: 31:36

Mm-hmm.

Rob Rene: 31:36

and then nowadays it's like the whole the all natural health practitioners are 0.01% or something It's like it's just

Caroline: 31:44

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 31:44

Any of them in comparison and you look at how that happened and how that transition happened. You know they vilified all those all natural health practitioners and what they couldn't get jobs unless they went through the medical schools that were only taught pharmaceutical based medication. And so, if you didn't go to their medical school you couldn't get a job. And then when you go went to their medical school you could only prescribe the pharmaceutical based medication. And they vilified anybody that was talking about all natural health practices. So this isn't stuff that I uncovered or just that I came up with it's fact right. So you can go back and look at that and you can then decipher and then you can see how our medical system has changed over time and it's just really sad. We're our system in the United States is much more oriented and controlled by big interest and big money. People call it big pharma. People call it lots of different things. But at the end of the day there's people that have so much power so much money that they can control the science, they can control the doctors, they can control the information and how it's disseminated, and that it's unbelievable the power. That the that they have on how they can control the narrative and that's what you'll learn from Project Mockingbird is this CIA operatives who were put into the news media and the 4:00 AM they get their 4:00 AM talking points and the news media all parrots the same talking points but they say it a little bit differently but you hear it on the radio on the way to work and then at night you see it on the news. And it's a similar topic but just said a little bit differently. And then you read it then you know you hear it three different times by three different people you assume it's true. And

Caroline: 33:37

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 33:37

just masters at disinformation and so we're being fed a narrative within our country that I didn't think was possible. I was like gosh we live in you know the United States of America we're free you know I ended up finding out that we're not right I mean from a information perspective we're probably more controlled than North Korea or China. Which is just stuff that I didn't think was possible in the great US of A. So anyway that changed my life dramatically.

Caroline: 34:06

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Rob Rene: 34:48

Yep

Caroline: 34:48

went into, you know, natural supplements, food and all of that. What changes did you make as you were becoming more aware? Because I, I had met, even my kids are now pretty interested in, um, uh, you know, a lot of ingredients, a lot of stuff, you know, like there's so many changes that have happened in the last year or so from their interests. And we're just like, okay, I guess we're not buying that. Okay. I guess we're okay. I guess we're only shopping at these places. All right. Well, you know,

Rob Rene: 35:18

Good for that Awesome

Caroline: 35:20

have that oil anymore. Okay. You know, and we're only doing stainless steel. Okay. You know, but it's, it is just an interesting, um, kind of shift. And I didn't realize how much stuff, because you just trust, you think that, you know, there's brands on the shelves that are well known and you think that their stuff is good, or that cereal was actually helpful for you. I don't even think we eat cereal anymore. But, what changed for you when you started kind of uncovering, how did that look like for your,

Rob Rene: 35:53

me in it dramatically in two different ways. One one from a health perspective and I'll talk to that in a second. And the other one was just a faith based that's literally where I found my faith wa

Caroline: 36:02

oh.

Rob Rene: 36:02

was through this process. So that kind of that research skill I was telling you about I was at the same time I was researching all the medical school medical system and what's going on and why are they vilifying these people and what you know what is the project Mockingbird. And just going down these this information you know just collection. And it was a fascinating but then I was like I also was questioning my faith.I was just like this is scary right. This is not what. I was really pissed off, I mean really pissed off early on. Cause I was like how can I be 50 years old and not know this information? And how could this be the wool pulled over my eyes so easily for that long of a period where I was just doing what the world tells you to do? I was just going

Caroline: 36:45

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 36:45

living my life and enjoying things and doing what the world tells me to do yet I was so deceived and that really frustrated me. So I started researching you know my faith and I started researching the Bible and reading the Bible every day. And then I was researching is the Bible true? And so I just went through this deep dive on the Bible. And that was super fascinating as well cause that's where I really developed a personal relationship with God was through that period. It was like oh my gosh you know what I could uncover from my perspective the Bible is like the most authentic book ever produced. And it is real. And you look at the you know the textual criticism the archeology you know of the book. And you look at the prophetic evidence in the book. It's just like It's a I'm incredibly um well sourced. And it's the information It's okay if that is all true then I better read this thing because I'd never actually read it from cover to cover. So I read it multiple times. I've listened to it multiple times and I started studying that. So that was a huge transition in my life was just the faith-based aspect. And then this as I was learning all this stuff about health and information that was like then I started crossing the two. I'm like oh my gosh the God has taught us so much in the Bible about how to live. I was like what does he say about health. Right And then what does he say about what did he have in the Bible and what was what were people eating and what did he tell us to eat. And so I went down this did big research on all the herbs and super foods in the Bible

Caroline: 38:15

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 38:16

and then that's what started me trying to create solutions. Almost like Hey maybe I can come up with some formula that no one ever has you know come up with. And I was praying and researching it is like help me find something Lord that can really help be an impactful um solution for people's health. And so that's what I got really passionate about You know trying to develop solutions that are going to help society.

Caroline: 38:39

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 38:40

than hurt them You know how can I keep my family safe and how can I develop solutions that are that bless this temple rather than destroy it

Caroline: 38:49

And what did that turn into?

Rob Rene: 38:52

Yeah They ended up turning into my life goal and passion was now. Okay great this is exciting. And when I ended up creating a company called Exodus Strong and the company we ended up per creating this product as I was doing research on all the biblical ingredients in the Bible there's awesome things in the book and a lot of healing properties in the ingredients in the Bible. But I couldn't find anything that wasn't already out on the market There's frankincense on the market. There's saffron on the market. There's you know there's all these different individual ingredients but no one had packaged them together in a in a way that I that now that we have. And what ended up happening is I wanted something that was just special. It was like what can make this really different and I ended up getting you know the Lord led me to this practitioner who was selling or had a component. It wasn't selling anything it had a he had a component that was called molecular hydrogen. And it's this blend that when it interacts with the human body it creates your body creates hydrogen and then you start doing research on what hydrogen does inside the body like inside your cells and inside bloodstream and It's amazing. It has there's thousands of scientific reports that have been done and on hydrogen inside the body. So hydrogen in and of itself and hydrogen you know is literally the base element that God created. It's the smallest element in the in that God created. And so that was as matched kind of my biblical theme I'm like oh my gosh God created this amazing element and then when you see their benefits of what it does inside the human body so I said let's take the seven best in the biblical ingredients to enhance what molecular hydrogen is and if we can do that then guess what we can put that into the human body and then we give things the human body what it's missing you know what people are not getting in their diet today. when you look at the human the diet today 70 of our foods are ultra processed foods so the nutrients that we have in our diets today is not the nutrients of old of what was 20 30 years ago. We're just not getting the right nutrients and when I was doing this research on the body your body needs 96 nutrients every day. If you're not you know you we used to get them through our food but since we're not getting them through our food cause our food supply is really tainted, our water supply is tainted our air supply is tainted our food supply is tainted like you said the seed oils are killing people it's just like there's so much bad going on with our health, how do we transition it. So we created this product called Exodus that is got seven biblical ingredients It's got organic barley grass and wheatgrass which give you the nutrients that you're missing from your food. It's got saffron which is amazing for calm and anxiety and then it's got cumin and aloe iss really great for gut health. There's hundreds of benefits of aloe but you take cumin frankincense and myrhh. And those three help with the inflammation reduction and I have a podcast that I interview holistic practitioners and trying to people with their health. And they all tell me that the source of all disease is inflammation. If you can reduce inflammation inside the human body then you're going to do your body a big favor. And so

Caroline: 42:09

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 42:09

having this product of ours that reduces in helps with the inflammation response in the body and then you look at the benefits of what molecular hydrogen does. The cool thing about molecular hydrogen that I distinct is fascinating as a master or a selective antioxidant so what that means is it just gets into your bloodstream and then within all of our blood we have good and bad cells within your blood. They die off and they produce more and the sensient cells are just they're zombie cells they're just cells that are just lying around that are not doing any good and those if you have a collection of those can become a cancer you know those can become bad things in the body so you wanna try to get rid of those. And that's the awesome thing about molecular hydrogen is it goes and finds those sensient cells or zombie cells and attaches it to them and extracts em from the body so it gets rid of the bad stuff and then helps your mitochondrial process which is the powerhouse of your cell It helps it work better. So You have this one molecule that goes inside your bloodstream that gets rid of the bad stuff and helps the good work better and then we give your we add those nutrients from our other ingredients in the supplement and guess what you now have an most incredible base supplement that's I think exists. It's got all the nutrients you need It's clearing out your bloodstream It's helping you live a much healthier life so anyway that's what I've been doing recently is helping people with with our Exodus product and we've got some other really fun things coming down the pipe. We're doing frequency research and how to use frequencies to help with the temple we're doing a lot with red light and it's so good for you cause literally what the research as you go look at what that does to the body cause it'll penetrate into the skin and it helps with the mitochondrial process so it literally helps the your blood repair even

Caroline: 44:03

yeah.

Rob Rene: 44:04

you know down to the cellular level so it is so helpful the red light and the infrared light that because most of them has it as well which it will go deeper than the surface level

Caroline: 44:16

Yep. Yep.

Rob Rene: 44:16

literally go an inch deep or so into your body and help repair cells even underneath the cover so it's yeah it's really fascinating. So we're doing things with frequencies that help with a different a bunch of different health issues with allergies and weight loss and relief and with a whole bunch of different health issues but then we combine it with the with red light so we're helping repair the under underline issues but then we're helping relieve symptoms with with some of the frequencies And so the combination of those is really fascinating as well it's and it's all natural right. It's a hundred percent natural God created light right and he he created this amazing temple So we can use things that are natural and we can help I've found that if we give this a temple of ours what it needs the right nutrients that it needs that you know it heals itself. God designed this body so cool that it literally will heal itself but we do such a good job of not giving it what it needs and destroying it with the food and the air and all the way that we live today we have our bodies are just under attack constantly with like you said even your cookware.

Caroline: 45:31

Oh my gosh. Yeah. It's so much. Oh, it is. We're gonna be, we're gonna be way better for it. Leveling up, you know?

Rob Rene: 45:36

I

Caroline: 45:37

but now,

Rob Rene: 45:37

Go ahead

Caroline: 45:39

oh, go ahead.

Rob Rene: 45:39

one quick thing I love the fact that of that people are finally becoming aware of the issues. We're and the Maha movement I don't care what you think about it but to make America healthy is a great thing like let's make let's

Caroline: 45:52

Yeah, absolutely.

Rob Rene: 45:53

but it's just the awareness of these things awareness of seed oils and of the awareness of the cookware and how bad it is and the awareness of The things that they're putting into our food that is just not healthy It's just crazy that those things ever got into our foods in the first place so you know you can go do some actually research on the on big food there's actually some really alarming things on how our food companies were taken over. And so there's some really Operation Paperclip If you really wanna dig into some rabbit holes. Do some o research on Operation Paperclip and look what look where those scientists into the up. They used to be in The tobacco world and get all those scientists end up going into the big food companies. And

Caroline: 46:44

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 46:44

ended up creating these products that are highly addictive and have no nutritional value. So they really they sell really but they don't help the human body at all. And so when you start researching things like that you're like what? That really happened. And then you see it in real life and you're like oh my gosh that's crazy. yeah it's fascinating

Caroline: 47:07

Now I'm curious because, you know, the, the second truck was the pandemic and so that was 2020. And yet we're in 2025 and you're about seven years sober. So what changed there? Like, what, what was, what was that shift in your lifestyle? What precipitated that and, and how did that kind of come into part of this?

Rob Rene: 47:33

I was just I was my I was declining mentally and physically I was outta shape I was heavy I was just like this li life was was not good I didn't have my close relationship with God that I do now but I still just didn't feel well. And I was like man I just I've gotta make a change something's going on with my body. I wasn't remembering things like I used to. And it's just like just don't feel well. And so literally just one one night I was laying in bed with my wife and I said I'm gonna stop drinking she about fell off the bed Because she's been trying to get you to do this for 10 years you now you're gonna do it? And but I had to make that decision why it wasn't somebody else that to that had to help me make that decision. I ended up having to make that decision for myself. And I'm so glad I did It's one of the best decisions I ever made was to stop drinking alcohol. and man I just am such a better person for it my mind started clearing up and you know I literally I didn't go through a 12 step program I didn't go through what a lot of people end up doing. I just was really stubborn and said you know I'm a I wanna do this on my own. and I want to make sure that I can do it you know in a safe way. When I was doing research early on I'm like how do you stop drinking alcohol? And and I didn't realize how addictive it is to the human body And then if you just stop drinking alcohol you can literally kill yourself if you don't do it in a right the right way. And I was like that sucks right I wanna stop

Caroline: 48:58

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 48:58

I have to stop in a healthy way. So I did go see a doctor and I said Hey I'm going to stop drinking. What can you do to help make myself safe during this transition? And so I was on some base medication for a week or two as I just stopped. And and I think my I did do a lot of prayer and my wife was very supportive and I did pray through that period I was like God help me get through this. And I got through that period and it's just a it is been a huge transformation in my physical life I was like I started walking again and I used to run a lot. And I hadn't for years. So I started walking and then I started jogging a little bit. And you know the over the couple of year period I started running with my wife again which was a huge

Caroline: 49:43

wow.

Rob Rene: 49:43

being

Caroline: 49:44

Had she always run?

Rob Rene: 49:45

Yeah she was a runner from early on. She ended up running marathons

Caroline: 49:50

Wow.

Rob Rene: 49:50

and she was very athletic And I'd just gotten into like I told you the world I was just like I was too busy with my job and all trying to chase success that I really didn't care about my body my temple very much at all. And I was outta shape I was overweight and I just didn't feel well. And then I transitioned at that and man I feel just so so so much better

Caroline: 50:14

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 50:14

and having a blast learn how to take care of this temple. I love biohacking. That's a big passion of mine now is how do you improve this temple. Right? How do you do things like cold plunges and what

Caroline: 50:26

Do you do that?

Rob Rene: 50:27

why I do

Caroline: 50:27

Do you,

Rob Rene: 50:28

things biohacking Yeah

Caroline: 50:29

the cold plunge in at home? Like,

Rob Rene: 50:31

I have a cold plunge and I even

Caroline: 50:33

wow.

Rob Rene: 50:34

in Texas that our pool is pl cold plunge able It's 55 degrees So you I do the all things biohacking I'm having a blast teaching people how to do it and too cause I'm really big into to having a routine. Right? And you gotta make sure you get enough I there's five things I always like to tell people It's like just do these five things and you're gonna start feeling so much better that it gets addictive and then you wanna start doing other things and these five are just simple they're free right? So it's like everybody should do these. And the first one is just hydration right? Most people are not getting enough water and our body's 60 to 70% water dependent upon you know what research you look at. But we need about I'm about 200 pounds and so I need a hundred ounces of water every day

Caroline: 51:20

Yep.

Rob Rene: 51:21

Most people don't get that so get good water into the body and that you'll start feeling better just because you're hydrated which was is interesting. And then just going outside these three three things you can do together. You can go outside and you get some vitamin D. Remember that vitamin D that started my journey and looking at health. And you get that vitamin D in your sun or in your face. And it's amazing. The first 45 minutes of the sun is called blue light. And that blue light has no UV rays on it and it's just 100 healthy so good for you and then you get your socks and shoes off and get your feet on the ground and it's

Caroline: 51:58

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 51:58

called grounding and what I used to hate grounding my wife would laugh at me cause she does laugh at me now because I love grounding. But I hated it early on cause I did I you know she was telling me stuff like this she's been really good at stuff like this. She loves to research and she tells me things I'm like oh gimme a break I don't want to do that

Caroline: 52:16

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 52:17

about it I'm like oh my gosh. That's amazing. Grounding is

Caroline: 52:20

Somebody else has to tell you. Right? Exactly. Yeah,

Rob Rene: 52:23

You always gets so match, he goes oh yeah the only reason you listen is cause somebody else told you. I'm like I love you darling but you're right, but that's probably

Caroline: 52:31

yeah,

Rob Rene: 52:31

am because I don't trust anybody. Now that I learned you know how research things for myself it's like I don't trust anybody when they tell me something that's like that's just the nature of who I am now.

Caroline: 52:43

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 52:44

But then I

Caroline: 52:44

And then you'll go research, trust and verify is what it's called. Yeah. Trust and verify.

Rob Rene: 52:49

Yeah trust

Caroline: 52:50

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 52:51

So anyway so the water we talked about sun we talked about um and grounding we talked about. And then the the third one while you're outside you're getting the sun you're getting your feet on the ground and that that when you ground it just charges the negative energy and recharges your body with healthy energy which is so fascinating that literally is how your body reacts to God's given earth which is super cool but then the third fourth one is breathing. It's like we all have to

Caroline: 53:18

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 53:19

but I didn't realize that if you actually breathe in a controlled way and in a specific way that you can get more oxygen into the body you can actually extend your life by seven years just by breathing. So it's like

Caroline: 53:33

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 53:34

How is that possible, right? But literally you go do research on Wim Hof, WIM HOF. He's got some just super easy breathing techniques that you can do takes seven minutes you know so geez spend seven minutes in the morning get some sun on your face ground while you're doing it and you do these breathing techniques and geez you know in 10 minutes you've knocked out three out of the five things just boom right there and super easy to do and very transformative for your health. You're gonna feel better. You get when you do the breathing techniques you get oxygen and in fact when they when you do it early on he wants you to sit down because what'll

Caroline: 54:11

Ah,

Rob Rene: 54:12

oxygen in your body and you can pass out cause you just get so much oxygen in your

Caroline: 54:16

yeah. You're not used to that. Yeah.

Rob Rene: 54:19

Yeah Which is fascinating So there's the four You do the water plus those three and then the there's the fifth is just getting the right nutrients getting nutrition right? Get just get the get those 96 nutrients in the body somehow and then I always add the movement. You have to move so there's five plus two really there's really seven of them the movement is just is really key in getting those right nutrients in the body. Just super duper important. So those are the things I like to at least say those are free

Caroline: 54:51

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 54:52

And you're gonna transition and transform form your life. And the seventh is you want to if you're counting is gratitude right? And you can do gratitude and or I do prayer you know because I'm a I am a faithful person so I believe in prayer. But you can use if you don't don't believe in God then at least do gratitude. You can still have this mindset. Your mind is so powerful that if you believe things your mind can control your body like a physical there's scientific evidence that your mind can control your body and so just use your mind and it will control the body. And you can tell yourself you're going to have you're gonna be better right And you then you have gratitude for the things that you do have and you just transition from this grumpy person who everything's bad. To up being happy and you have gratitude for the things that you do have and you just do a total shift in your personality and your mind and it's just it's fun to get people to geez do those seven things and you don't have to do em all but do a couple of them today right? Then do a couple of them tomorrow and then you start doing these things it's wow it's so transformative and you start feeling so much better that you're like addictive. You're like I wanna make sure my family does this I wanna

Caroline: 56:06

Yeah,

Rob Rene: 56:06

my kids do this I wanna make sure my parents do this I want you know and then you just we're just gonna have this positive rolling of success and health that's gonna transform the world

Caroline: 56:19

I'd like to add another one on there that, that I had to kind of make a priority. I'm, I'm still working on the others now. I'll, I'll, so thank you for this, this concise list.

Rob Rene: 56:27

You

Caroline: 56:28

I had to pause and I also had to prioritize sleep

Rob Rene: 56:34

Yeah

Caroline: 56:35

because either there's, so sometimes you just get so caught up and you're doing, doing everything. You gotta have to go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. And then, especially for me, I, I, I don't remember like choosing, but I, you know, as a wife, as a mom of two kids, there was a time where I was just trying to do everything for everyone else except for myself. And so I just kind of like willingly chose to be the leftover. And I could tell you what my husband liked or what my kids liked, or where they needed to be and what they needed to do. And then we had pets and like, just making sure everything, it's like everybody else was getting all of their things and trying to meet their needs, even though I was yelling. So I still had a lot of work to do, but, but I, I was not prioritizing my own sleep. And so then, you know, from operating from that deficient state for years and years and years, none of those other things because there wasn't the foundation, they weren't able to make as big of an effect as it could once I kinda like dialed it back a little bit and, tried to understand, some of those things too. But

Rob Rene: 57:41

love

Caroline: 57:41

yeah.

Rob Rene: 57:41

you're right sleep is where your body recovers so

Caroline: 57:44

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 57:45

don't and that's where it heals too so you literally need sleep in a very dramatic way So I think you're right a hundred percent right on. Everyone needs to prioritize that. And you there's ways to wind down the correct way and you know I love to teach people that. You need to have a routine and you need to start you know getting a lot of the blue light away from your body and the you

Caroline: 58:08

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 58:08

and as you as the evening comes you need you know there's the circadian rhythm is true it's really important right if you know during the day you need to get out and get the sun and you need to see things And then in the a in the afternoon and you evening you need to start diminishing those the screens that you're

Caroline: 58:23

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 58:23

you're facing right Need to get rid of the electronics in your bedroom And you know the that those things are real important but then your sleep that's it is where your body recovers so very important job.

Caroline: 58:35

Mm. I'm working on it. It's a work in progress, that's the thing.

Rob Rene: 58:38

it is

Caroline: 58:40

now catch us up'cause we've gone through a massive shift in what you thought you were gonna do, what you ended up doing. Now, what you're doing, how success has kind of shifted. You've got these, relationship with God products to help the world focus on health, and yet there's still two more trucks, you know?

Rob Rene: 59:00

the other two the trucks that

Caroline: 59:01

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 59:02

when I was young I ended up almost dying and that was a I guess a truck before the truck when I was young So that was one of my near death experiences and then the last near death experience was literally about two months ago

Caroline: 59:18

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 59:18

literally my heart failed on the operating table And so I I was not listening to the God's helpers and three different three different practitioners or cardiologist told me I needed to get a pacemaker. And I was not listening I was being stubborn and I was trying to do things naturally and holistically and and ended up my heart ended I had a condition called bradycardia is a slow beating

Caroline: 59:43

Oh,'cause the, yeah, runners have a low, low heart rate and all of that. And then with all the other things you'd been doing.

Rob Rene: 59:49

I just attributed it to that but it ended up ended up being a problem in to as I grew older the you know it was continuing to go down slowly over time. And it was to the point where it became a big problem. And I didn't wanna address it as a problem but I ended up getting a cancer diagnosis about a year ago. And I believe that cancer diagnosis saved my life.

Caroline: 1:00:14

hmm.

Rob Rene: 1:00:15

I it would not have gotten my heart fixed if I had not gotten cancer. And so it literally you know it's a it I tear up because this is like so impactful to me that not I know that God has a plan for my life because I literally was dead on that operating table. And if I wasn't at the operating table at that specific time I would not be here right now. And the only reason I was sitting on that operating table was because I got cancer because

Caroline: 1:00:44

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 1:00:45

had the three different cardiologists tell me I need to get you know a pacemaker. And it was finally the third one that I saw And the only reason I went to that third one was because I had cancer. And they said we might need to operate on your tumors. And I was like that sucks and so you know they convinced me that I need to to get my pacemaker. So I finally decided to get my pacemaker even trying to fight it for a really long time And then boom guess what? You know my heart literally failed for the last time as I'm on the operating table them getting ready to install my pacemaker. And

Caroline: 1:01:19

Wow.

Rob Rene: 1:01:20

They were freaking out cause they're like oh my gosh what's going on. And they ended up you know getting me my pacemaker in and everything worked. But they literally dialed it down to where it wasn't working and my heart was not operating. So I literally wouldn't be here today if it wasn't wasn't for that period of time. So now I have this immense obligation to myself and to the world that God has a plan for me I could have easily gotten my upgrade four different times in my life. And I had I haven't He saved me when I got hit by that first the truck before we didn't even talk about when I was young and I got hit by the truck ended up having a an accident. And when I was as a youth with my heart being almost pierced my lungs being pierced and just like just crazy stuff that has happened and then this last one with my heart condition and then you know getting cancer and having cancer save your life. That's just

Caroline: 1:02:18

Interesting. Yeah.

Rob Rene: 1:02:19

you know have you heard of that. Right doesn't doesn't seem anyway so I am yeah I'm on borrowed time and I know it I'm on borrowed time and I just but he's got me here for he wants me to make a difference. So I'm rarely really passionate about making a difference in people's lives and I don't care whether my businesses are successful I don't care. Literally I really don't I do not care if all those things fail I just know that I have to help people. And so I'm really working hard to become like I mentioned to you with this faith-based AI wellness futurist And what does that mean It's like this AI world is so intriguing yet scary because of our AI is trained on the information that it's that's out there. And a lot of that information is bad information And so it's trained on all this information that Big Pharma has created right? And all the research that Big Pharma has done. And so you go do some research on AI and you say I need help with this. And they're gonna give you the big pharma res the answers And so I just I'm really passionate about you need to look at what AI's going to give you and you need to we need to have this good healthy Information that's natural health and natural oriented that can augment what the AI systems are going to tell you from a health perspective. And so I really wanna help people navigate that problem cause it's gonna be a really big problem down the road that where people just are not getting good information from their health because they're relying on this data that's just bad data So

Caroline: 1:03:56

Yeah.

Rob Rene: 1:03:57

a big part of my future is just help people navigate that Right when do I listen to what right. And so yeah that's I'm super passionate about building systems and solutions that are gonna help people get through those

Caroline: 1:04:10

So how do people find you and how do they work with you for that kind of help?

Rob Rene: 1:04:14

Great question So I'm building a CA community called biohacking v so excited about That's gonna be a really big part of what what my life is it's gonna be a community of people that are there to learn about biohacking right You wanna learn about red light therapy for example. You're gonna have tons of information about red light therapy You want to do integrative oncology. With my cancer journey I've learned so much about how to help turn your body from a cancer producing machine to a cancer Killing machine I did that to my body I'm literally winning that battle right now I'm I've had stage three melanoma That was it had tran you know had traveled throughout my body and I stopped the movement of the cancer And I'm my all my tumors are shrinking. They've just

Caroline: 1:04:54

Oh wow.

Rob Rene: 1:04:55

50 or more And so you know that I wanna help have a place where people can go understand How do you do that? Right How do you starve your cancer how do you not feed it what it wants And then how do you get your body to get your immune system to work the way it's supposed to work your immune system's supposed to fight cancer. And most people everybody has cancerous cells in the body as they walk around. But what the problem is once they start gathering and collecting together and then once they start collecting together they start you know amplifying and Going to other places and that's when you get in big trouble. So I wanna help people with that. So this anyway biohackingville is going to be a community that I'm just putting together over the next few months and it's gonna have all these the resources And I'm building literally technology I'm building software solutions that are gonna help people navigate this problem an issue. And we'll have resources for you that are free where you can go find information and then you know we'll have other services and other things that you know people want to go get help You know I've got some amazing places in Mexico right that you can go get some good integrative oncology help and care that just with some solutions that you can't find in the United States and so you know I just since I have this information and knowledge and learning it I wanna be able to share it with other people I think that's my mission is to help people navigate these difficult issues. So Biohacking ville.com will be the community and you're it's free to join and a ton of information there And then I'm building this operating system I call biohackingville os It's going to

Caroline: 1:06:27

Oh, nice.

Rob Rene: 1:06:28

a lot of fun things within it that talks about fasting It talks about nutrition. It talks about meal plans. It talks about all these fun things that are gonna really help people navigate this all natural health world.

Caroline: 1:06:41

And I'm big on success, but authentic success, and so that's however someone defines it for them. You went through what the world defined as success. You've gone through all these kind of pivots and, and eye-opening, awakenings. If you, if you will. How do you define authentic success for you now?

Rob Rene: 1:07:03

Yeah it's only whether I'm making a difference right? At the end of the day when I die I want him to say well done good and faithful servant. That's all I care about. Mean so if I if I die and he says well done good and faithful servant then I did my job. And if I'm not doing what I need to do to get to that point then I'm not doing my job. So that's all I care about I love my wife I love my family but that at the end of the day that's all I care about. So,

Caroline: 1:07:28

I love it.

Rob Rene: 1:07:29

that's success to me is a well done good and faithful servant

Caroline: 1:07:33

That's beautiful. Rob, thank you so much for sharing a little bit more into your story, into your journey, into the beautiful things that you're building and creating and doing. And I certainly wish you all the best in, in your healing and in your mission and your journey. And I'm just happy to have had you on the podcast and to be a tiny, tiny part of, of how you've made an impact to the world. So thank you so very much.

Rob Rene: 1:07:57

Yeah thank you for letting me share And I just I pray that some one one person today listened to something that's oh man maybe I should do that and maybe it's just you know just let's just make a change right. And if we can all make a little bit of change then guess what? You know we're all gonna make a difference in this world and we're gonna live in a better place

Caroline: 1:08:13

Hmm.

Rob Rene: 1:08:13

something we can pass on to our children and our children's children, and hopefully we can make this world a place that we all enjoy and love and we can get work together rather than division.

Caroline: 1:08:23

I love it. I love it so much. Thank you so, so much, Rob. I appreciate everything you've shared today.

Rob Rene: 1:08:29

You bet God bless you

Caroline: 1:08:31

God bless you.

1:08:31

Rob, thank you for bringing so much honesty to this conversation. Your story carries grit, humility, and a clear sense of mission. If you've been filling your own nudge to take better care of your body, rebuild your consistency, or live with more purpose, let this be the moment you choose one small change and follow through. Thanks for listening to your next success with Dr. Caroline Sangal. Remember, authentic success is yours to define and includes aligning your career to support the life you want.